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Aidan Brooder
Caldari
Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Aidan Brooder on 26/06/2011 23:45:19
Edited by: Aidan Brooder on 26/06/2011 23:41:39
Edited by: Aidan Brooder on 26/06/2011 23:40:09
Edited by: Aidan Brooder on 26/06/2011 23:39:03
(didn't care to read through thread, just my opinion)
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The tone and demeanor of my blog on Friday did not correctly portray my emotions towards the community and player base at large. I love and respect EVE and its community on a level that's hard to really do justice in words.
Deeds, not words. Very simple: No interference into game mechanics beyond PLEX through any CCP store action. Please... Leave EVE Economy intact!
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However I let my frustration take charge of me, fueled by emotions that had built up due to a breach of trust we at CCP have been experiencing over the past few days.
As one of the those who always thought CCP was special and lured players into this game: Guess where that "breach" originated from...
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I know that sounds ironic considering those are the exact same feelings you have been having towards CCP.
It does not sound ironic, it does sound SAD!
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For that I am sorry.
And I feel sorry now, too. Because I see a great game dying instead of your:
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Having cooled off a bit and taken a solemn look at the situation, I see it's clear we need to strengthen the deep mutual trust and respect that's been so unique and descriptive of our relationship. There are certain questions you want answered and there isn't room for more error in our communication on those topics or our perception of the root causes.
Yes, there has been a fantastic relationship between CCP and the playerbase. It vanished when you started to listen to (probably) business analysts and marketing strategists.
I know it will be a strain to develop WoD and Dust and continue to develope and suppurt EVE. But do understand that the base of this MMO EVE is NOT your usual 14 years old. You will NOT be able to remodel it to a market for the "quick satisfaction fraction" teens!
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Therefore we have asked the CSM to join us in Iceland for an extraordinary meeting June 30th and July 1st to discuss the events of past week, to help us define and address the real underlying concerns, and to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy.
The base demand is fairly simple: NO goods except for VANITY goods (that meaning useless clothes for the ultra-rich only!) in that blasted over-priced NEX Store. I do not see the need for plane tickets and hotel costs.
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The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE. Other issues may be brought up and we urge you to contact the CSM with your comments and concerns so that they may be addressed at this session.
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However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all.
Name your newsletter whatever you want. "Zealess", "Fearless"... Looking at the rest of the MMO industry, I would be surprised if you would NOT try to make such a step. EVE has always been special. It's community has always been special. Perhaps we are a breed on the brink of extcintion. But we can still kick and howl and ... post.. or drop our subscriptions.
Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.
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Thank you for your patience,
You are welcome, but it is running thin...
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Aidan Brooder
Caldari
Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:53:00 -
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Oh, but of course you are free to invite me to Iceland for a chat that can be done via telephone conference... Or just here.
I have some overdue vacation days left and I am a business and technical analyst. (drunk version of both, right now, but not off the target.) ;)
Why not invite all of us?
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Aidan Brooder
Caldari
Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Aidan Brooder on 27/06/2011 00:03:39
(didn't care to read through thread, just my opinion)
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The tone and demeanor of my blog on Friday did not correctly portray my emotions towards the community and player base at large. I love and respect EVE and its community on a level that's hard to really do justice in words.
Deeds, not words. Very simple: No interference into game mechanics beyond PLEX - as they are - through any CCP store action. Please... Leave EVE Economy intact! Also: Your blog was insulting!
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However I let my frustration take charge of me, fueled by emotions that had built up due to a breach of trust we at CCP have been experiencing over the past few days.
As one of the those who always thought CCP was special and lured players into this game: Guess where that "breach" originated from...
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I know that sounds ironic considering those are the exact same feelings you have been having towards CCP.
It does not sound ironic, it does sound SAD!
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For that I am sorry.
And I feel sorry now, too. Because I see a great game dying despite of your:
Quote:
Having cooled off a bit and taken a solemn look at the situation, I see it's clear we need to strengthen the deep mutual trust and respect that's been so unique and descriptive of our relationship. There are certain questions you want answered and there isn't room for more error in our communication on those topics or our perception of the root causes.
Yes, there has been a fantastic relationship between CCP and the playerbase. It vanished when you started to listen to (probably) business analysts and marketing strategists.
I know it will be a strain to develop WoD and Dust and continue to develope and suppurt EVE. But do understand that the base of this MMO EVE is NOT your usual 14 years old. You will NOT be able to remodel it to a market for the "quick satisfaction fraction" teens!
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Therefore we have asked the CSM to join us in Iceland for an extraordinary meeting June 30th and July 1st to discuss the events of past week, to help us define and address the real underlying concerns, and to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy.
The base demand is fairly simple: NO goods except for VANITY goods (that meaning useless clothes for the ultra-rich only!) in that blasted over-priced NEX Store. I do not see the need for plane tickets and hotel costs.
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The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE. Other issues may be brought up and we urge you to contact the CSM with your comments and concerns so that they may be addressed at this session.
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However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all.
Name your newsletter whatever you want. "Zealess", "Fearless"... Looking at the rest of the MMO industry, I would be surprised if you would NOT try to make such a step. EVE has always been special. It's community has always been special. Perhaps we are a breed on the brink of extcintion. But we can still kick and howl and ... post.. or drop our subscriptions.
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Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.
Meaning you want to buy time and limit the audience to impress with graphs, necessity etc ?
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Thank you for your patience,
You are welcome, but it is running thin...
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Aidan Brooder
Caldari
Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Aidan Brooder on 27/06/2011 00:22:19
True enough and I agree.
Hard to tackle company strategy if on shiny papers investors have been convinced this is the way to go.
Still, if you do not at least voice your concerns - or in this case rage - you will not feel better facing the inevitable.
Actually CCP is selling what made them DIFFERENT from the rest. Bad move. They should have focused on it.
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Aidan Brooder
Caldari
Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zephy Russ
We've already scored a win, asking for more would be rather churlish. I'm personally putting down my pitchfork for the time being, and unlike many of you I trust that I'll not have to pick it back up again.
What win? Wake up, please. There are no answers. The logical reduction of the whole message is:
"Sorry, we need more time to convince you. And we will invite CSM members so you guys can't complain."
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Aidan Brooder
Caldari
Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zephy Russ
I'm not in a dream to start with. They've made plans to have a meeting with the CSM, that's definitive evidence that we've affected them enough to either listen to the CSM or at least break out the big PR guns. I'm entirely content with them buying more time, especially since the big yellow question has been answered. I wouldn't say it's a perfect answer, but the spirit of the piece says no gameplay-affecting items, and that's a good start. Asking for more at this point would be silly, wait until after the meeting.
They have not made plans to listen to the CSM, they have made plans to appease us and limit the number of persons to impress. ;)
All the playerbase wants is a definite NO to game effecting items in the shop.
Let people buy monocles there and shoot them, because they should have no depth-sight with em anymore.
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Aidan Brooder
Caldari
Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:44:00 -
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A subscription for the CMS guys to carry with them with all the names of players that will quit if and when game effecting items will enter the game might be very helpful, btw.
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Aidan Brooder
Caldari
Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:04:00 -
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Biggest problem: Pay-to-win.
And truly don't see why it is so hard to just give us a NO to non-vanity items clear and straight.
The rest of the shop could even be successful, if the on-station content to come will be interesting enough. And if the pricing is changed. I don't care about monocles and clothes that much.
There were on-station shops mentioned though, that could be player-owned.
Now, I already see this will be something bound to Aurum, if it comes. If a monocle comes at 70$ or so, what will the price for a virtual bar be? A thousand dollars? Is that even enough?
So, get real. And stay away from anything that affects the game. In an ideal world, you'd stray away from the whole Aurum concept, but I see that is not going to happen.
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Aidan Brooder
Caldari
Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:14:00 -
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There is one further important topic for the CSM to address in Iceland.
It kind of got under the wheels of the much larger NEX-store discussion.
That is CCPs plans of charging providers/developers of third party products money. EVEMON, EVE Wallet Aware, EFT... I have never seen any indication that providers of such programs want to charge the players using their tools. They actually provide service that expands CCPs game.
It feels like charging a nurse so she can aid her patients.
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